Sunday, November 6, 2011

conditionals - Tenses in sentences with more than two verbs


  1. I´ve spent a fortune on swimming lessons. Next month I will have been training for three years and I don´t think I _______________(can) dive successfully when I go to Mexico this summer.



  2. If I thought that somebody was in my house, I would call the police and I _________ (not confront) the intruder.




What tenses should be used in the blank spaces above? I know conditionals and future perfect pretty well but I always have a problem when there are more than two verbs in a sentence. So my question is what tense should be used in any conditional or a future perfect sentence when there are more than two verbs just as in the examples above?

Saturday, November 5, 2011

Is the word 'mistake' a concrete or abstract noun?

According to Answers.com:




The word mistake is an abstract noun, a word for an error in action or judgement.





Is this correct?



Then, why does it act like concrete nouns such as 'car' when it comes to countability?



Both 'mistake' and 'car' are countable, unless they follow "by".




a. I made three mistakes today. vs. I went there by mistake.




b. I saw three cars today. vs. I went there by car.




Does this prove that 'mistake' is also a concrete noun?
Or is 'mistake' still an abstract noun, despite this similarity in countability?

pronouns - Is naming the first person last proper grammar or just proper manners?










I cringe when someone does not follow the rule of naming the first person last:





Who went to the party?
- Me, Bobby, Sally, and Joe.




This is surprisingly common in informal spoken American English. I admit have a strong cultural bias against this practice. My native language is Spanish and listeners in informal situations often reply with el burro por delante (the donkey in front) to correct the speaker.



Another post (Which of these sentences use the correct grammar?) partially covers this topic but the answers do not conclude whether it is proper grammar or just proper manners.


Answer



It's a matter of style, or manners, if you will. Grammatically, all of the following are equally fine:






  • Jack and I went to the store.

  • I and Jack went to the store.

  • I and that stupid moron went to the store.



past/present tense when telling a story in spoken English

I've noticed that, in daily conversations, when people are telling stories in the past, they often shift the tense back and forth between the past and the present - even they're native speakers. For example, people might say:




_It was almost 5 a.m. He hadn't come home yet, and his phone was off. I'd been so worried that couldn't sleep at all. Then I heard the door knocked fiercely. Of course it's him. He's got a bottle of whisky in his hand and smelt like a tramp. He stumbles in, ignoring me at all. I was like, stopping him, asking where he's been. He suddenly turns around, shouts at me, pushing me crazily out of my flat and locks me out. I am totally petrified. I've never seen him like that. That's why I asked you if I could come here._




I made up this scenario because I couldn't come up with an exact example I've heard, but it happens all the time. The tenses shift. On one hand, I don't have any problems understanding the story. I wouldn't misinterpret the timeframe just because I heard the tense jump to the present. But on the other hand, I would feel a bit uncomfortable and think, "isn't it wrong?." Furthermore, when it comes to me telling stories, I've been struggling with this usage. I can't judge if this usage is proper, educated, and "correct." Also, if this is proper, are there any rules I should keep in mind so that I won't confuse the listeners? Should I insert something like "I was like" from time to time to remind the listeners that I'm still talking about the story in the past? Or should I shift to the present tense only when I tend to bring the scene more lively to the listeners? Is it a good idea to tell the whole story in present tense once the time has been set, in this case, after the first sentence? Finally, since I feel the present tense is generally easier to be spoken more fluently, would it be recommended to use the present tense throughout the whole story, given I'm sure the timeframe has registered with the listeners?




Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

pronunciation - How do you pronounce the word Shaman?

I found 2 American pronunciation samples on Forvo, and they said /ˈʃæmən/ (audio), I wonder if British people say /ˈʃeɪmən/ (audio), or not? Could you please tell me something about that?

etymology - What is the source of "Long time no see," and when did it enter U.S. English?

A question from almost two years ago asked "In which countries is that “long time no see” greeting common?" The question drew a number of answers that were squarely on point, but also a couple that hazarded explanations for how the phrase arose and caught on. One comment suggested that it was "a direct loan-translation of Mandarin 'hao jiu bu jian'." Another nominated Hollywood westerns as the phrase's probable source. I ran a search in the Ngram Viewer matches for "long time no see" and found a number of matches from 1922 and before:



1. William F. Drannan, Thirty-one Years on the Plains and in the Mountains (1900):




When we rode up to him [Captain Jack, the renowned Modoc Indian leader], he said: "Good morning. Long time no see you," and at the same time presented the gun with the beach foremost.





2. Jeff W. Hayes, Tales of the Sierras (1900):




Approaching the unsuspecting George, Mahala [a Paiute Indian servant] ejaculated in her guttural tones, distinguishable to all in the room: "Ugh, you squaw, she long time no see you; you go home mucha quick."




3. Chester B. Fernald, "John Kendry's Idea," in The Outing Magazine (December 1906):





"His manner, greeting the son of a friend by whose benefits Chan Kow had had enabled his extraordinary rise in America, was that of a prince, for its ease, its urbanity, its confidence in the entertainment his guest would receive.



"You boy—long time no see—what for?" he sang deeply, through his thick lips.




4. From Our Navy, the Standard Publication of the U.S. Navy, volume 5 (1911) [snippet]:




Yokohama at 1:15 p.m., 580 miles from Nagasaki. Sampans showing up from all directions, and before long our Oriental friends were greeting us with "Ohio's" and "Long time no see your handsome face," and the like.





5. From "News Around the Loop," in San Joaquin Light and Power Magazine (September 1915):




L. Meisel, chief clerk of the Merced office was a visitor in the Fresno office during the month. He happened in the same day as Berro was here, and the two renewed their acquaintance after a "long time no see."




6. Eugene M. Rhodes, West Is West (1917):





"Hello, you! Long time no see. Have a cigar," said Whitly.




7. Arthur Stringer, The Prairie Mother (1920):




And that started me maun enlarging on the names of Indians he'd known, the most elongated of which, he acknowledged, was probably "The-Man_Who-Gets-Up-In-The-Middle-Of-The-Night-To-Feed-Oats-To-His-Pony," while the most descriptive was probably "Slow-To-Come-Over-The-Hill," though "Shot-At-Many-Times" was not without value, and "Long-Time-No-See-Him," as the appellative for a disconsolate young squaw, carried a slight hint of the Indian's genius for nomenclature."




8. Fanny H. Lea, "An Old Flame," in Good Housekeeping (October 1920):





Andy shook hands with her warmly.



"Long time no see!" he commented with his most likable smile.



"Please, Jimmy dear, tell Keno she may serve dinner in about ten minutes," Adrienne instructed.




9. From "Club News: Schenectady", in The Chinese Students' Monthly (May 1921):





Mr. Shen has accepted a position in the National Electric Lamp Association, Central Falls, R[hode] I[sland]. Mr. King left for China. As a compensation to the loss of two, we welcome back in our midst Mr. A. S. Liu, who recently returned from three months' engagement with the G. E. Co. in Pittsfield, Mass[achusetts]. With the presence of this jolly good fellow, "long time no see," we are certain of a jolly good time together.




10. Hal G. Evarts, The Settling of the Sage (1922):




Deane crossed over to Billie. The music started but she shook her head as he would have led her to the floor.




"Sit down. I want to talk with you. Long time no see 'um after to-night," she said. "It'll be daylight soon and I've a long tale to tell."




11. From Leland, Peck, "Secret Valley," in Sunset Magazine (April 1922):




"How Din Hock," said Ben Downs. "Long time no see."



The Chinaman rolled his puckered eyes...




... [several paragraphs later] ...



"Hi, Din!" he called now as he caught sight of the Chinaman in the dust behind his mules. "Where the hell have you been?"



"Long time no see?" asked Din Hock, as if to supply the other with a forgotten phrase.




12. "South Sea Islanders," From The Friend: A Religious and Literary Journal (December 7, 1837):





I was kept from reclining on my welcome mat, by the conversation of one of the most interesting and intelligent young chiefs with whom I had yet had intercourse. His name was Riromainva. He was nearly related to Malietoa, and esteemed by the old chieftain so highly that he consulted him upon every subject of importance. He had just then returned from a journey, and was impatiently waiting my arrival. On entering the house, to my surprise he saluted me in English, with "How do you do sir?" I instantly replied, "Very well, I thank you, sir; how do you do?" "O," he answered, "me very well; me very glad to see you; me no see you long time ago; me away in the bush making fight; oh! Plenty of the fight; too much of the fight."




To sum up these instances, three (#1, #2, and #7) are attributed to Native American speakers (and include "you" or "him" at the end of the phrase); two (#3 and #11) to Chinese immigrants in the United States; one (#4) to native Japanese speakers in Japan; five (#5, #6, #8, #9, and #10) to native (or at last English-fluent) English speakers in the United States; and one (#12, which isn't an instance of "long time no see" at all but a comparable formulation) to a native South Sea Islander.



Clearly, by 1915, some native English speakers (at least in the western United States) were using the phrase among themselves, and by 1920 it seems to have caught on as a casual greeting that wouldn't startle the readership of Good Housekeeping.



I have three questions: 1. Did "long time no see" arrive in U.S. English from forms of pidgin English spoken separately by both some Native Americans and some Chinese immigrants? 2. When did this turn of phrase first gain the recorded notice of an American English-speaking author? 3. When did the phrase cross over into use by native U.S. English speakers among themselves?

Friday, November 4, 2011

american english - Is it conceivable that President Obama might use the word "queue"?



President Obama in a press conference, in London today, has said that if Britain votes to leave the European Union and makes separate application to the United States for a trade deal, she will be at the "back of the queue", behind the EU.



Some people assert that Obama has been prompted in his remarks by David Cameron, Prime Minister of the UK, and that the President is really only saying this to do Cameron a favour. (It will be a major political blow to Cameron if he loses the Referendum on 23 June.)




On the BBC programme Any Questions this evening, Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, and vehement supporter of Britain voting to leave the EU, said he thought it inconceivable that an American such as Barack Obama would use the word "queue". Americans, he asserted, say "line". So according to Farage, it was not Obama speaking, but, in effect the UK government had written his script for him.



Do Americans use the word "queue", and more specifically does President Obama say "queue"?



Added: A somewhat more complete context for the quote:




He said there could be a US-UK trade agreement “down the line” but warned: “It’s not going to happen any time soon, because our focus is on negotiating with a big bloc, the EU. The UK is going to be in the back of the queue.”





(I can't vouch for the accuracy of the quote, of course. HL)


Answer



So, line is much more common in American English, especially when talking about a line that is actually physically embodied. However, queue is not unknown, especially among those with exposure to British English. Whether he was fed the line or doing it as a favor, I can't say, but it would certainly be more than reasonable for Obama to use the British-preferred word when discussing British matters, especially if he was 'aiming' it at a British audience.



I don't see any Obama quotes using it prior, but here's Biden using it in a similar manner in 2014 regarding the Obamacare queue/line




"Get in the queue, now," Biden urged viewers. "Get in the queue.
There is still time today."





Per Mr. Farage, this would presumably have been "Get in line" unless he was fed the line then...